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Welcome to the Deep Dive. We're here to take a truly complex stack of source material, distill the vital nuggets, and hand you the synthesized knowledge you need to be instantly well informed.

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Today we're wading into a workplace drama that spans three decades.

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And it's set in this very specialized high-stakes environment of Manhattan K-12 School.

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Aaron Ross Powell The case is McConkie versus the Churchill School and Center. And this is, you know, more than just a lawsuit. It's the abrupt, really contentious end of a 30-year teaching career.

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Aaron Powell We're looking at a long-term educator who, at 62 years old, is suddenly terminated. And he alleges it has nothing to do with performance.

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Aaron Powell No. He says it's all about long-simmering ageism, homophobia, and critically retaliation.

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Aaron Powell It's really the mechanics of what happens when an employee finally speaks up. You shared the court documents with us, and our mission today is very specific. We're diving right into the federal court's opinion and order from July of 2025.

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Aaron Powell That's right. And this document, it determines the specific factual and legal thresholds that McConkey claims need to cross just to survive.

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Just to survive. So this isn't a verdict.

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Not at all. We're analyzing the crucial opening move in a federal lawsuit. It's called a motion to dismiss. The school is basically arguing even if everything McConkie says is true.

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He still doesn't have a legal case.

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Exactly. They're saying he hasn't met the minimum legal standard to even proceed.

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So we're testing this idea of plausibility. I mean, did he provide enough factual content to raise a reasonable expectation that, you know, discovery emails, reviews will actually uncover evidence?

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Aaron Powell Precisely. It's the minimal burden just to get through the door. The court has to accept all his factual allegations as true for this stage.

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Aaron Ross Powell And draw every reasonable inference in his favor.

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Aaron Ross Powell If the claims are plausible, the case continues. If they're too vague, too neutral, they get dismissed.

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Aaron Ross Powell Okay, so let's unpack this. We're talking about claims for age discrimination under the ADEA.

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Sexual orientation discrimination under Title VII, which, you know, follows the big Bostock ruling.

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And then retaliation. All under federal, sturt, and city laws. So we're going to dissect which claims made it past that minimal bar and why others didn't.

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Aaron Powell And sometimes for very subtle reasons.

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To really understand the stakes here, we have to start with the plaintiff himself, Dennis McConkie. This was not a short-term employee.

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Not at all. His career at the Churchill School was the centerpiece of his professional life for nearly three decades.

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And his background is important, right? It establishes him as a professional.

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A highly qualified one. He has a Bachelor of Science from Skidmore in 84, an MFA from UPenn in 1990. He'd already taught at the college level before even joining Churchill.

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He joined them in December of 1992, started as an assistant art teacher for K-8. This is a specialized school, right, for students with learning disabilities.

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It is, and he moved up quickly. By 1995, he's the head art teacher and head of the art department.

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And his role just kept growing with the school.

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Right. When they added the high school in 99, his role expanded to K-12. This wasn't just a teacher. He was, I mean, central to their arts curriculum.

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That kind of tenure usually means respect, stability.

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You would think so. He even took on administrative roles. In 2006, he was appointed a dean, leading a high school grade.

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And this is where Jason Wallen comes in, the man who becomes central to this whole conflict.

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Yes. Wallen was appointed a dean at the same time, and during that period, he actually referred to McConkie as the best of the deans.

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That's a remarkable detail. It shows a history of competence.

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It does. But McConkie also points to this subtle decline in his status starting around 2012. He lost the title, head of the art department. And the reason was the school was supposedly too small for official department heads, but his responsibilities, you know, they didn't really change.

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So from a legal perspective, a plaintiff would flag that detail years later to suggest, you know, this erosion of his status started way before the actual firing.

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Exactly. It sets the stage. Yeah. So by the time we get to October 2022, when he's fired, he has almost 30 years at this school. He's 62 years old, firmly in the protected age class.

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And he was the oldest teacher in the high school?

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And the second oldest in the entire school.

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The court recognizes that a decision made in 2022 often has roots that go way back.

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Aaron Powell Yes. And McConkie's complaint details these really specific older incidents. Even though they're outside the statute of limitations, the court said they provide crucial, relevant background evidence.

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Okay, so what's the first one?

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Let's start with the earliest and you know maybe the most shocking. The 2001 dry erase incident.

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Right.

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Late one day, a distraught student tells McConkie that a homophobic slur had been written on Jason Wallen's dry erase board.

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The actual slur was Dennis is a fucking fag.

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And the student said it had been up there visible all day.

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So McConkie confronted Wallen about it.

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He did. He asked him why he hadn't erased it. And Wallen's defense was simply that he hadn't noticed it.

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Which McConkie sees as what? Tolerance? Complicity.

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Aaron Ross Powell He sees it as Wallen's initial indifference to homophobia. And that's incredibly important context because Wallen later becomes his direct supervisor.

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And as we'll get into, he weaponizes this exact incident.

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He does. Then just a year later, 2002, the second major incident happens.

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This one involves a photograph.

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A photo of McConkie's male partner on his desk. Just a simple desk photo. The principal at the time, Glenn Corwin, noticed it. And it led to a formal meeting.

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A meeting over a photo.

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A meeting with the principal and the head of school, Christy Baker. And the directive from leadership was chillingly direct.

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What did they say?

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They told him that no one should know he was in a relationship.

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Wow. I mean, that's an institutional demand for secrecy about his personal life.

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It is. And McConkie alleged that, you know, numerous street teachers had photos of their spouses out, their partners. No problem. No scrutiny.

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Aaron Powell So the environment was, I mean, demonstrably hostile to openly gay relationships, and this was coming from the very top.

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Two decades prior, yes. And McConkie pulls all this together to describe the school's atmosphere. He calls it a toxic macho, good old boys' club, heterocentric culture. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

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Particularly in the high school.

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Exactly. Where he says straight white men protected each other.

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Aaron Ross Powell And he brings up another example to show it wasn't just him.

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He does. He points to a transgender teacher who left around 2022 because they quote did not feel supported. So all these details, they tell the court that his claims of an oppressive environment are, you know, plausible.

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Aaron Powell So now we move into the period where this historical animus becomes institutionalized. Jason Wallen, the same man from the 2001 incident, moves into a position of direct power over McConkie. He's appointed acting principal in 2014 and then full principal in 2015.

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Which means Wallen is now McConkie's supervisor. He's doing his annual reviews, overseeing all employment decisions. The whole power dynamic just flips.

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And this is where the story takes a really bizarre, almost manipulative turn. The sources describe this, this ritual.

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Yes, a ritual that occurred in every single annual review meeting from then on.

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How did it work?

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It was insidious. Wallen would start the meeting off with positive comments, you know, praise his work with students, seemed very reasonable. And then he would bring up the 2001 dry race incident. Every year.

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Every single year. After more than a decade.

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Every single year. He'd say something like, Remember that time? And then claim that McConkie had intimidated and scared him during that original confrontation.

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And McConkie felt this was like Wallen was using the slur each year.

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Psychologically, yes. He wasn't writing it, but he was injecting its memory and the power dynamic that came with it into the most sensitive employment review McConkie had.

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And legally, that repetition is key.

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It's the key differentiator. The court said that because this happened in annual reviews, where the power dynamic was at its peak, it was way more than a stray remark.

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It was a pattern, a persistent pattern of animus tied directly to his job evaluation.

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Exactly. The court basically agreed a manager who keeps bringing up a slur from a decade ago in a performance review isn't just reflecting on history.

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They're using that history as a tool of control in the present.

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It reinforced Wallen's power. It was like reminding McConkie, I know something about you. I can make you vulnerable based on your sexual orientation.

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Did McConkie present any other evidence of Wallen's alleged homophobic behavior?

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He did. He cited other behaviors that suggested Wallen was constantly othering him.

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Like what?

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For example, Wallen would tell McConkie he would like newly hired gay teachers, a comment McConkie says he never made about new straight hires. It's subtle, but it's a persistent singling out.

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And then there was something more overt.

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Much more. Wallen allegedly told McConkie he could not support reappointing someone like you.

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And given the history, McConkie perceived that as a direct reference to his sexual orientation.

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He did. And finally, there's a comparative example from fall 2022. Wallen disciplines an openly gay male student for wearing a tank top, which was against the rules.

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Okay.

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But he allegedly did not discipline two non-openly gay female students standing right there with him, wearing similar things.

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So selective enforcement. It suggests a pattern of bias, which supports the idea that Wallen was operating from that place.

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Precisely. Now let's switch to the age claim.

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Okay, so the key evidence here linking Wallen to age discrimination is this phrase, institutional memory.

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Right. Wallen repeatedly used this phrase to describe McConkie.

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And McConkie's interpretation was that it was code for old.

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He saw it as an instantiation of Wallen's ageism. On the surface, you know, it could sound complimentary, suggesting valuable experience.

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But he felt it was negative.

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Yes, and that ambiguity is really important for why the age claims ultimately fail later on.

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But he didn't just rely on that phrase. He tried to show the age issue was systemic.

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He did. He alleged that during an equity initiative, the assistant head of school, Anita Bruna, actually confided in him. She told him ageism was the real problem at Churchill.

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A statement like that from the second in command adds a lot of weight. It suggests this was a known internal issue.

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Aaron Powell, even if she wasn't the final decision maker, yes.

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Yeah.

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And then crucially, McConkie alleges a pattern, like an age-based purge of older employees.

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What were the specific examples?

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He gave four, all happening close together. A 58-year-old teacher with 37 years of tenure, dismissed.

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Okay.

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A 65-year-old administrator who just disappeared one day. And then two other older teachers who were pressured to retire, one in her early 60s.

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It sounds like a powerful narrative, but again, there's a legal bar. The pattern has to be specific enough to connect to the people who actually fired him.

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And we'll see. That's where it fell apart. But before we get to the termination, we have to talk about Wallen's alleged history of using false accusations.

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Because this sets the stage for the pretext claim later.

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It's the essential groundwork. The clearest example is the 2021 bonus denial.

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Right. Wallen gives him a very positive review in May, promises a raise and a bonus.

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And then a month later in June, the bonus is denied. And the reason was an anonymous false accusation. McConkie alleges Wallen never investigated it, never even asked for his side of the story.

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And when McConkie checked his own personnel file?

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Nothing. No complaints, which suggests the whole thing was just fabricated by Wallen to deny the bonus.

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So the argument is if he used a fake accusation to deny a bonus in 2021, it makes it much more plausible that he used a fake accusation to fire him in 2022.

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It establishes a pattern of bad faith. And just as important is how Wallen allegedly responded when challenged.

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What did he do?

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When McConkie tried to defend himself, Wallen would just dismiss it by saying McConkie couldn't accept criticism.

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So he not only uses false accusations, he has a built-in defense mechanism to shut down any challenge.

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Exactly.

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Okay, this is the pivot point. We're moving from discrimination to retaliation. And for that, McConkie had to engage in what's called protected activity.

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Which means reporting or complaining about what he reasonably believed to be unlawful discrimination.

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And he does.

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The first time is in September 2021. And it's sparked by, of all things, a mandatory sexual harassment training. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

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And what in the training sparked it?

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It specifically said that the repeated reference to past harassment could be ongoing harassment. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

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And for McConkey, a light bulb goes off.

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He does. He realizes Wallen's annual ritual with the 2001 slur fits that definition perfectly. So he immediately goes to Churchill's director of diversity, Ashley Green.

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Aaron Powell And what was her response?

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She acknowledged it was serious, she called the conduct significant and wasn't okay, but then nothing. The source material says she took no further action.

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The initial non-response.

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Yes. So then nine months later, June 2022, McConkie escalates. He formalizes his complaint. He emails Anita Bruna, the assistant head of school, and says he wants to go on record.

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And this email is the linchpin for the retaliation claim.

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It is. It's detailed, explicit, it covers the dryer race incident, and Wallen's repetition of it, the institutional memory comment, as code for old. He clearly labels the issues as potential homophobia and ageism.

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A textbook example of protected activity. So what was the school's response to this formal complaint?

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The non-response is just as important legally. Bruna says they should discuss the matter, but then she's repeatedly unavailable.

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So they ignored it.

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Effectively, yes. The school took no action, no investigation into this formal complaint.

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And we have to place this on the calendar, right? Because this is what unlocks the whole retaliation claim.

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Absolutely. Class has ended just three days later, June 17th, 2022. The school is basically closed for the summer. McConkie doesn't come back until late August.

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That calendar gap is what the court zeroes in on.

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Yes, when it analyzes the time between the complaint and the firing.

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So McConkie comes back in August. He's formally accused the principal of bias, the school has done nothing, and within weeks of the new school year, the incident happens.

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The one the school used as justification for ending his 30-year career. Right. It happened on October 18th, 2022. McConkie is teaching, his assistant is out, a lot of faculty are out. Staffing is thin.

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And he notices two female students are missing.

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Aaron Powell For about 15 minutes.

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Yeah.

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So he searches the hall, then goes to the girls' bathroom. And this is where the facts get twisted, which is, you know, crucial for the legal idea of pretext.

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Aaron Powell We have to rely on McConkie's account here, which the court accepts as true for the motion.

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Aaron Powell And his account is very precise. He says he pushed the door open only a few inches with his foot, called one of the students' names, and immediately stepped back. The other student then opens the door and says a third student had been knocked across the room when he opened it.

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But McConkie argues that's impossible.

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He does. He says the force just wasn't there. And he noted that the third student, student C, came back to class shortly after and did not appear upset or hurt.

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But despite all that, that same evening, the head of school, Timothy Madigan, suspends him.

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Yes, pending an investigation. And Madigan is the ultimate decision maker here.

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Two days later, there's a meeting.

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He gives his version of events.

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And this is when he mentions the security camera.

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Critically, yes. He says the camera outside the bathroom could confirm his account.

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Then on October 27th, he's called back.

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For a three-minute meeting, time to happen during a school assembly, and Madigan fires him. Thirty years, over in three minutes.

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And the termination letter is the core evidence for pretext.

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It is, because it presents a completely different, and according to McConkie, a false narrative.

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What did it claim?

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It claimed he had kicked open the door and knocked a student into the sink.

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That's a huge exaggeration. Pushed open with a foot is very different from kicked open.

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And the school officially asserting a student was knocked into the sink is a major escalation. And that distortion is the alleged pretext.

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Aaron Powell The argument being the video was available.

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Right. It would have shown what really happened. So Churchill either reviewed the video and ignored the truth.

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Or they didn't even bother to review it in their rush to fire him.

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Either act willfully ignoring the truth or just manufacturing a falsehood points to an unlawful motive, because it suggests they were just looking for any reason to get rid of him after he complained.

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And the final piece of the puzzle, his replacement.

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His position and duties were immediately given to his assistant, who was in her mid-30s, putting her outside the protected class for age discrimination.

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And the school's actions didn't stop there.

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No. He alleged that after the firing, members of the leadership team actively misrepresented why he was fired, damaging his professional reputation.

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Okay, so now we get to the legal crucible. The court has to take all these allegations and weigh them against the legal standards.

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This is where the subtleties of federal, state, and city law really matter.

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And we have to remember the different causation standards. For the Federal Age Discrimination Act, the ADEA, age has to be the butt-for cause.

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The decisive reason. For Title VII, sexual orientation, it just has to be a motivating factor. And the city law, the NYCHRL, has the lowest bar of all.

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You just have to show you were treated less well because of a protected characteristic.

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Which is the most forgiving standard for a plaintiff.

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Okay, so let's start with the first outcome. Sexual orientation discrimination. The court allowed these claims to proceed.

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It did. The motion to dismiss was denied. And it hinged on three interconnected legal arguments.

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What was the first?

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The specificity and longevity of the discriminatory intent focused on Principal Wallen. That longstanding pattern of incidents, especially the yearly repetition of the slur. The court said that was powerful evidence, far beyond a stray remark.

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And that brings us to the cat's paw theory. Because Wallen didn't make the final decision to fire him, Madigan did. So how is the school liable?

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The Kat's paw theory is one of the most interesting parts of employment law. Imagine Wallen is the one with the discriminatory motive, and he provides biased information that leads to the firing.

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Okay.

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Even if Madigan, the ultimate decision maker, is totally unbiased, if he uncritically relies on that poisoned information from Wallen, the subordinate's bias can be imputed to the employer.

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So because Wallen was in that October 20th meeting, he played a meaningful role, and his bias taints the whole decision.

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Exactly. And the third and most compelling factor was the allegation of pretext.

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The manufactured reason for the firing.

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Right, exaggerating the door incident. The court found that McConkie's claim that video evidence existed and would prove the school's version was false, created a plausible inference of intentional bias.

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Aaron Powell It makes sense. If an employer has to bypass the truth, it suggests they were just looking for an excuse to get to an outcome they already wanted.

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The law is clear on that. When you choose an unsupported accusatory version of events over readily available evidence, that implies bias.

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So that combination, Wallen's pattern of animus, his influence on the decision, and the strong inference of pretext, let the sexual orientation claims survive.

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That's right. Which brings us to the dramatic difference with the age discrimination claims.

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This is what's so fascinating. Same supervisor, same alleged pretext, same firing. But the age discrimination claims were dismissed.

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It's stark lesson in how hard it is to meet the ADA's butt-for standard.

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So why did the same pretext ornament that worked for the sexual orientation claim fail here?

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It came down to the quality of the specific age related evidence. First, that institutional memory remark.

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Right.

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It didn't clearly suggest an intent to fire him. He was old.

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So an ambiguous comment isn't enough for the high butt for standard.

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Not for the ADA, no. Then there's Bruna's comment that ageism was the real problem.

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That seemed pretty direct.

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Contextually helpful, but the court found it didn't plausibly show that ageism was the butt for cause of McConkie's firing by these specific decision makers.

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And what about the pattern of other older employees being dismissed? The purge.

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This is where the legal pleading requirements were just brutal. He failed to provide crucial details. First, he didn't allege that the adverse actions against those other four employees were taken by the same people, Wallen or Madigan.

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You have to connect the pattern to the specific actors.

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You do. And the second fatal flaw was that he failed to allege that those older employees were replaced by workers outside the protected class under 40.

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So without clear evidence of older workers being systematically replaced by significantly younger workers, the whole link was just too weak.

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Too attenuated for the strict ADA standard, which underscores why federal age discrimination claims are notoriously difficult to prove.

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But despite the dismissal of the age discrimination claims, the retaliation claims were allowed to proceed.

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All of them. Both for his complaints about age and sex discrimination. And this is a testament to the strength of the causation argument tied to that timeline. And the defense argued that's too long. Too temporally attenuated to prove the firing was caused by the complaint.

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But the court disagreed.

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It did. And it's because of the context of the school calendar. That factual detail saved the entire legal claim.

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The summer break, the court decided that the pause in the school year acted like a legal time machine.

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Precisely. The court said, look, the school closed on June 17th. He was gone until late August. They couldn't really retaliate during the summer. So the termination in mid-October happened only about a month after the new school year really got going.

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So the court saw it as the school waiting to exact their retaliation at an opportune time.

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Yes. They waited for the first available pretext, the bathroom incident, as their opportunity.

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Aaron Powell And the pretextual nature of the firing itself supports the retaliatory motive.

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Absolutely. The manufactured reason reinforces the idea they were just looking for an excuse. So because the context made the timeline plausible, the retaliation claims survived.

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This case is just a perfect dissection of that motion to dismiss standard. It really shows the different evidence required for different types of discrimination.

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Aaron Powell It does. The generalized allegations of ageism and the ambiguous remarks, they just failed to meet that strict but for standard.

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Aaron Powell Well, the sexual orientation discrimination and retaliation claims succeeded.

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Trevor Burrus And that success was built on specific, repeated derogatory comments from a key supervisor. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_01: 23:13

Well in.

SPEAKER_00: 23:14

The use of the cat's paw theory and that powerful implication of pretext, the school ignoring the video evidence.

SPEAKER_01: 23:20

Aaron Powell The narrative here is just so human. I mean, 30 years of tenure ending in a three-minute meeting during a school assembly, that detail alone suggests this institutional disrespect that really colors the whole analysis.

SPEAKER_00: 23:32

And that contextual detail, the school calendar, was so vital. It saved the retaliation claim by framing that four-month gap as a one-month window. It's a masterclass in how temporal proximity can be legally defined by a workplace's own context.

SPEAKER_01: 23:49

So what's the takeaway here for you, the learner? I mean, this highlights the importance of creating a clear paper trail, right? Like McConkie did, saying he wanted to go on record.

SPEAKER_00: 23:58

It also shows that employers can't just rely on procedural gaps, like a summer break, to escape scrutiny if they immediately move to terminate an employee on a manufactured excuse when they get back.

SPEAKER_01: 24:08

And it's a reminder that specific repeated conduct is so much more powerful than vague allegations. The repetition of the slur was key. The ambiguity of institutional memory was fatal.

SPEAKER_00: 24:19

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01: 24:20

So, our final provocative thought for you to mull over. Considering how much weight the court gave to the pretext allegation, that the school willfully disregarded that security camera footage. How much does an employer's willingness to disregard the truth actually factor into establishing intentional discrimination? If a neutral reason is manufactured, is the act of manufacturing the lie itself the clearest sign of an underlying unlawful bias?

SPEAKER_00: 24:45

The fascinating question. Thank you for joining us for this deep dive into the complex boundaries of workplace bias and legal plausibility.

SPEAKER_01: 24:56

We'll see you next time.